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HarshawJ Posted by HarshawJ in Musings
on Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:02:58 PM
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On Being Romantic

Romance, what exactly is romance? For many people there is a distinct difference between romance and sexuality. Interestingly enough, from my point of view (and I will admit that I may be very wrong about this) it seems that romance is left up to the male of a couple (I am talking in a hetro sense now) in the NORMAL course of a relationship. (I will get around to this concept more later.)

For most people I feel they think of romance as formal rituals of affection. Romance can be s simple as presenting beautiful flowers, or a card for no reason other than one wants to express their amorous feelings towards another. It could be a night out on the town, doing something special to mark an occasion or just because. It also can take the form of the grand gesture and an all out expression of love, be it a proposal and a renewal of love. And while sex may be a part of the romance, it is not the goal of romance. If on the other hand romance is used as a tool to garner sex, I would think it is false and when looked back upon can become a very nasty point of contention, emotions used for manipulations of an end goal of sex.

Now I say that men are usually the initiators of romance, and I think that this is the case often at the beginnings of relationships. Romance is how the male expresses himself and impresses his interest on the female that he cares for her. It goes back to the Flintstones age, Fred just wacked a big Bronto and to prove to Wilma that he will provide, gives it to her. Romance saying that he will be her provider and finds her suitable to be provided for. Fred loves her, and this is how he shows it.

Now there is a problem with us men, and again it goes back to good old Fred. After he has Wilma and is comfortable (and still providing) he thinks this is just a continued romance. He then does not undertake new displays of affection. In his mind he is displaying his affection with every Bronto he brings in. To Wilma it is now just routine. She wants more.

So now it is Wilma’s turn to provide a bit of romance. She takes the wonderful Bronto and prepares it very nicely, with a side of Bedrock Beer to go along with it. Fred see this and realizes that she now cares for him too, and will think of a way of rewarding her romantic effort.. Hopefully the two will get into a cycle of romance and will continue through out their lives.

If you think this cyclic nature is all bull, let me tell you my own experience. When I was married I used to bring home flowers all the time. It was nice to see my wife then take the flowers and display them for all to see. She took pride in them and it made me feel good to see she like it. One day I brought home flowers and she set them on the table and left them there. She did not put them in a vase, she did not even say thank you, they just laid on the table and two days later I threw them out as they were dead and wilted. From that point on I never brought home flowers again. From that point on I subconsciously knew that the marriage was over and the romance gone. It would take me years to realize this was the case, but it was. And even though I tried to be romantic many times after that, that break in the romantic cycle was devastating for me. To this day I have a hard time presenting anyone with flowers because it would truly devastate me if they were not accepted and displayed.

In many ways romance is the non-verbal expression of love, and while love is often stated during the romantic interlude, the romance should be saying it also in a loud and clear voice. There are so many ways of romantic expression, all it takes is a little thought and creativity. I know for me some of the most romantic moment in my life have come with no verbal communication at all, the acts and situations spoke for me; it was another level of communication that was so fulfilling.

Now in todays culture women can be more aggressive and will initiate romance. For me, when this happens I feel very stunned and macho. It is not often that a woman will present me with flowers or initiate romance, but when it happens I love it. I think it is just grand when it does. I know that sometimes I can be so preoccupied with work or other things that it is nice to know that she cares and I will usually respond in kind, not because I have to, but because I want to.

Ah the cycle of romance, it is what spices our lives.

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Posted by on
Friday, February 10, 2006 02:02:30 PM
Brother of mine, you've hit the nail on the head. I ust say that yours is one of the best definitions of romantic behavior as it pertains to the male(hetero/ female(hetero) relationship as I have ever seen put into words.
I also agree that it is largely left up to the male to initiate this behavior, and that while the woman not only craves this behavior (for the most part), she will come to expect it. The problem is that for a lot of women, it is considered unromantic to mention this to a man. The idea of the romantic gesture is romantic only when it is his idea without prodding, in the minds of women. Where this misconception began is unknown. The problem arises between many men dealing with women under this misconception that men(in general) are straight-forward and do not respond well to 'hints' or non-verbal or sub-verbal cues. If you want us to do something, just ask or tell us and we're glad to respond because we know it will make you happy, and presumably that is what we want to do for you. However, having to come out and say it seems to ruin the experience for women.
Now, while I can be very romantic (in the broadest sense of the definition, and even in the specific circumstances we are talking about here), I dislike being expected to be romantic much of the time. I've spoken to many ladies, some of whom I was dating and some who were just acquaintances. Most of them like the Skinner Box method. If they know that they're going to get some romance from a man at some point and they don't have to hint around to get it, they are MORE pleased when it happens at random and without too great a frequency (making the occurance special). Those who require constant romance are valid in their own desires, but are too needy and high-maintainence for my liking.

Posted by HarshawJ on
Friday, February 10, 2006 04:02:19 PM
Yeah, there is something to the "Expected" angle of romance. When it is expected it is not comfortable. That kind of expectation then puts pressure on the relationship and that kind of pressure just deflates the whole romance.

After all it is so much more sincere when it is not expected and therefore so much more meaningful.

You are also correct in the fact the frequency plays into the romance as well. If you (as a man) start off as too romantic and then it become so regular, it looses it's meaning. Then if she does require the romance, then it may not be the right relationship for you. It is also probably too much to ask of one man to be constantly romantic. I agree, she then too high-maintainence to be around.

Joe Cool - JB

Posted by TxRose on
Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:02:20 AM
I can't say that I agree. I have been around plenty of males who don't initiate the romance as much as I do. I am usually the one left to set the mood, create an ambiance for a romantic accord, or set up a situation for a romantic venture. I sure wish I could find a man who truly enjoyed the passion of romance as much as I do. I went on a date this week with one man who just might be that; who knows. Only time will tell for all certainty if that romantic date was all but a fluke.

I don't expect for my mate to be romantic ALL the time by any means; however, a glimpse into the romance of a relationship is a wonderful attribute to any relationship and aids in renewing a relationship's intensity.

I think a lot of men are afraid to be too romantic b/c they just might have to let loose a part of their female side of their soul seeking the sensitivities of a romantic situation. Most men seem unwilling to let go of the macho, tough image and let others see the softer side of them. Why is that????

I do agree with NS with the aspect of the spontaneous romance. There is nothing like having a romantic spontaniety in a relationship to let someone know that you truly care about them!!! smile

Posted by on
Monday, February 13, 2006 01:02:05 PM
TxRose... One would probably have to say that as a female, you are more the exception in this case than the rule. Most women think it is more romantic for him to take her out than vice versa. Most women are probably still stuck on mideval ideals of courtly love and chivalry than Susan B. Anthony or Sadie Hawkins -type ideas of interpersonal relationships, no matter how modern or liberated they claim to be.
Also, as to your comment about men being afraid to be romantic because they will look feminine, there is a great bit in the video Dysfunktional Family starring comedian Eddie Griffin. To paraphrase, men are natural givers and women natural receivers. Women get enjoyment from receiving a beautiful flower, while men enjoy giving that flower and the response in the woman that this gift creates. It also explains why men react a little off when a woman gives them a gift... they're not sure how to react. Something to think about...

Posted by TxRose on
Tuesday, February 14, 2006 02:02:18 AM
I know... I have given a guy I had been dating some tulips...and one time a potted geranium plant for his new office, which really took him off cue. Once, I surprised a guy with being at the half-way point of a MS150 race to show my support of him - he was sooooo very happy that I came.

Of course, I love the receiving as well....but, I am often the giver and sometimes will be taken by surprise when a guy truly gives of his heart (so I do understand what you are saying); just a bit of me and who I am.

Happy Valentine's Day!! cheese

Posted by best romantic movies on
Sunday, April 24, 2011 08:04:13 PM
i'm looking for some animes with a lot of romance in it, that have like some hot guys or the cute girls in it. like gakuen alice , mermaid melody, card-captor sakura, tokyo mew mew, these r just some of my favorite, i usually like animes when they guys fall in love w/h the girl first, instead of the girls always going ga-ga over them like cardcaptor sakura or gakuen alice, if u happen 2 come across any animes that have the things i said above, please please please tell me. i'm running out of good romance animes 2 watch. thanks a bunch,♥

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